theseasasleep:

Timmy was silent as he received the news at the dinner table.  His parents told him, it was either Hogwarts or Laguna Negra; the choice was his. Since both offered what they called, “A European experience,” the choice, as it was, really didn’t matter in the end. How his parents managed to swing entry into Hogwarts was a mystery. From the aggressive flying card, he guessed it was a magic school which might be cool… if he could do a lick of magic. As for Laguna Negra, the deep web had posted some crazy shit about the place, all of it too fantastical to believe!  But then, so was an actual magic school. 

Staring at his parents, who were inexplicably sipping champagne at a pot-roast dinner on an idle Tuesday, Timmy suddenly realized, his parents were trying to kill him.

I totally forgot this post! Oh, I crack myself up.

Caro: So why don’t you runaway with your sister?

Marcos: Because of you.

Me:

Originally posted by muvana

Proof that Paula is the most precious thing to ever precious? She figures out her parents must be dead - because they would have contacted her otherwise - and she’s incredibly sad… But she urges their guardian, Hector, not to tell Marcos they are dead but to instead let her brother continue to believe the gentle lie that their parents are on a secret island, in order to spare him pain. The kind lie they gave to a scared kid, well, that scared and sad kid is trying to wrap her brother in its warmth even as she decides to quietly, secretly bear her grief.

I die, I love her.

Victoria, the smartest one in the bunch so far.

You’re all in over your heads:

You found a bottle of eyeballs in a hidden attic.

You’re being watched.

Your rooms have been ransacked.

You’re being left for dead at the bottom of wells.

No one’s sleeping anymore.

Oh, did I mention the bottle of eyeballs!!!

Ok. Sure. Fine. The now most assuredly dead teacher told you to trust no one but by this point, you must trust someone and that someone should be the most responsible and trustworthy adult you know (Hector).

ETA: I know I’m dragging Carolina but she so deserves it. Ok, look. Normally I’d be on her side - a murdered person trump’s most things. Solid morales on that front. But… They have so little to go on and are basically being led around the nose by clues a generation old and are clearly under surveillance that I can’t begrudge anyone their reluctance. Right now, the entire mess is relatively contained, with everything right in front of them. Go any further and that will likely no longer be true. Ok, solid again.

Where Carolina and I part ways is her tone and attitude. Victoria brings up a poor grade she just earned because of everything and how that damages her scholarship and Carolina scoffs at her reason as if it’s sheer nonsense! Poor girl to rich girl, no it’s not! If Victoria is sent packing for not maintaining her grades, she can hardly babble to her parents about a dead body that was never found and a bottle full of eyeballs she can’t produce as an explanation as to why she lost her scholarship. Caro being a rich girl has the option and the privilege to be wanton with her actions. Even Marcos who had the best reasoning of the bunch for pursuing the mystery bailed after the well incident because he has to consider the welfare of his sister, he has responsibilities. Yet even after being confronted with two very good explanations for stopping this girl has the nerve to act butthurt as if she’s been personally betrayed instead of just refused. 🙄😑

Hahahaha, I forgot Elsa was shtupping her bf/fiance’s bestie before they break up in the future! Oh my god, this woman has been riding Hector for even having a conversation with Maria, razing all sorts of jealous hell and she’s been fucking around on him the entire time! Man, I knew I disliked Elsa for most of this show’s run for good reason!

blackwomenrule:

Me at Caro:

Weren’t they/your friends cowards? Weren’t you brave? Be brave then, chica! Five seconds into danger and you’re already a mess?

Me at Caro and Marcos as they make out in the well to achieve maximum warmth:

Me watching Caro run off to the cemetery alone to meet a stranger alone after narrowly escaping death by exposure/an obvious deliberate attack - through fucking luck - five seconds ago:

(Shhh! I’m a shape shifter!)

dangermousie:

theseasasleep:

dangermousie:

theseasasleep:

dangermousie:

theseasasleep:

Sigh. Carolina.

Caro, Caro, Caro.

You and your friends are being watched and having your rooms searched and objects seized by someone with at least assault on their minds. Your friends come to the (wise) conclusion that the questions you all have been asking and the answers you all have been seeking aren’t worth dying for. So what do you, Caro, do? Do you support their decision? Or shame them as cowards for prioritizing their well-being? If you chose the latter, then you are definitely Caro. 🙄

Also, the way she lights up when Marcos makes it clear he will continue to investigate, as though he were doing so for truth, justice and bravery when he explicitly states he’s only interested in pursuing any of it because he and his sister have no choice about living at the school, so he can’t afford to ignore danger. Literally the only one with a relatively reasonable reason to continue and still, the best course of action is to tell an adult and hope for the best. But then we wouldn’t have a show, so I guess, thank you, Caro???

Not a Caro fan but I suppose if she wasn’t nosy and hot and Ivan and Marcos weren’t panting for that hotness and therefore trying to satisfy her nosiness, we’d not have a show. Teen hormones move the world indeed! :P

She really is not a likeable character in the first season, is she?

Looking at it this time, I even read Marcos initial interest in her aside from “oh, pretty girl” as tepid at best - mostly because he was distracted by being a pseudo orphan, locating his missing parents and being mother/father/brother to his little sister - until Ivan made it clear he was jealous and hella nervous having Marcos share any face time with Caro. After all of Ivan’s antagonism, I think that had the effect of putting her more squarely in Marco’s sights. Then once he got to kissing her, well, someone remembered they were still a teenager with a tive hormones and no sense and the rest is 7 awesome seasons of history 😁

Like, I remembered she annoyed the living fuck out of me but I forgot how much she annoyed the living fuck out of me, you know?

All of her grand insistence that consistently led them all into trouble and danger and her utterly incomprehension when any of them wanted to stop was frustrating.

Hahaha yeah, she is very self-absorbed in s1; less so in s2 but she was unbearable in s1. I always wondered how much it was sheltered lack of knowledge of the world and consequences.

Marcos and Carol’s love story really did fall flat throughout - their chemistry was so-so and the narrative was not there to compensate for it; luckily the writers I think realized it fairly quickly and switched to other ships and other character dynamics. I am glad they did, watching Marcos-Caro-Ivan triangle for 7 seasons would have been unbearable. 

Also, I do think that after the end of the show and with all the horrors they lived through and all the reveals about secrets and families, they are all going to have insane but understandable trust issues their whole lives; I think it would be hard for any of the survivors to trust any outsiders (sort of like survivors of cults or other similar scenarios.) Ivan and Julia have each other and they both lived through all this insanity, but Marcos who ends the show single, will probably find it hard to find someone to truly open up to romantically who could also get it and him.

🎶 Coming out of the dark…🎶

Most of the older kids from rich families were sent to that place because they were either high key or low key maladjusted, no way are they suitably functional members of the larger society. They better thank the gods for all that mommy/daddy money! Although I’m not sure how much Ivan will have once the government is through raiding Noiret’s finances and honestly, he and Maria deserve to be incandescently wealthy for all the shit these people put them through. They were true outsiders without a lick of connection to all the orphanage craziness, mad scientists and Nazi ancestry until one of them decided to buy/steal a baby.

Ivan and Julia can and will break up a thousand times but will always flow back to each other because they just get one another. Indo think they’ll be that couple that everyone from the outside will wonder how’s that working? But survive Laguna Negra with not just your soul intact but refined, with a lover willing to buoy you or sacrifice for you, make you smile even when they feel like crying, can cry with you as well as love you wholeheartedly and you’ll be Julivan. Still one of the gold standards.

Re: the triangle that was mercifully short: this is not my first rewatch and I still wonder where the fault lies. Was Caro’s characterization poorly executed by the writers? Was AdA’s acting not up to par or didn’t match the specific Nancy Drew energy enough to be charming? Let’s be honest, the Marcos acting was hardly burning up the acting sheets, so really how much damage could ‘meh’ acting do? Was Caro just doomed to fail because no one wanted a princess heroine? The only fact I know is Yon Gonzalez feasted and the show was all the better for it. The show was very good at making surefooted changes in direction and how to use their ever expanding cast, that helped a lot. As you pointed out, they toned down Caro in S2 and even tried to open her story up by expounding upon her having a Peter Pan mother, etc. Actually, it makes her and Marcos make even more sense on paper as two kids forced to be not just grown ups but parental but that so-so chemistry really hamstrung them. Chemistry is so peculiar - she’s beautiful and he’s a near literal old school Abercrombie and Fitch model, how they were unable to scrape together a scintilla of real chemistry blows my mind.

I hope Ivan and Maria get to keep Noiret’s money. They deserve it!

At least some parents finally woke up when the school was turned into a literal plague spot! Though I was grimly amused that even when the school had mines the freaking plague and the military there, Julia’s mother didn’t bother to show up.

Like we were chatting - I feel genuinely horrible for Marcos, who by the end of it has got to have insane trust issues - his existence is result of Nazis trying to control his mom, his sister is his mother’s clone, his father is a murderous abusive Nazi, his happy childhood is a lie, his first love died, he got seduced by a teacher who turned out to be a member of an evil org in addition needing to go to jail for statutory, and the last gal he was considering liking was a psycho Nazi spy. He is NEVER going to trust another human being outside of his small core of friends who survived with him and his mom and his uncle. Honestly, it’s good he had Paula to protect or I think he may have cracked.

And yeah, Julia and Ivan are in it for the long haul with a lot of drama every day but they both feed off it. Clearly nobody will ever get either of them the way the other does or love them the way the other does and just - I get ridiculously mushy thinking of them. Tho I hope they never ever have children. Also, if I were inclined to be a pessimist, I’d think their lifespans are kinda shortened if for no other reason (tho plague and experimental meds aren’t a great help) than the bit where Ivan took her into a room full of radiation with no protective gear because it was either that or she’d die. (Out of everything he ever did for the love of her, that will always be the most insane thing to me, even more so than giving her the last of the medicine so she’d get to live a day longer even tho it meant he’d die. Because he was literally going into that on her word that a ghost told her tho he can’t see any of it himself and it sounds bona fide nuts; and it wasn’t even a work of a moment but deliberate hours of trying to get there. God, they were insane!)

I need Maria and Hector to marry so Maria has someone to eventually replace the awesome Fermin and Ivan and Marcos can become literal bros.

The thing with the original love triangle - it’s part chemistry part writing. I don’t think Caro had chemistry with either of her leading men or really anyone. But the character was not too interesting either tbh (except for her last season.) Points to the makers seeing what works and what doesn’t and modifying accordingly (by the end, it was pretty much The Ivan Show and I am not complaining.) Also yes on using their large cast - by the end it was a huge cast but integrated and I could easily keep track of all of them.

This is why Vicky and Marcos might ultimately be best for each other - they’d get the other’s traumas without a word being said, they’re both relatively evenkeeled and they’ve been through the worst and seen the worst of each other. At least with her, Marcos would know she wouldn’t betray her friends under pressure or for prestige or power. But yeah, Marcos netted loss after loss after loss by the time the show ended. He gained an uncle and a spiritual brother for life but lost a lot of faith in people in general.

dangermousie:

theseasasleep:

dangermousie:

theseasasleep:

Sigh. Carolina.

Caro, Caro, Caro.

You and your friends are being watched and having your rooms searched and objects seized by someone with at least assault on their minds. Your friends come to the (wise) conclusion that the questions you all have been asking and the answers you all have been seeking aren’t worth dying for. So what do you, Caro, do? Do you support their decision? Or shame them as cowards for prioritizing their well-being? If you chose the latter, then you are definitely Caro. 🙄

Also, the way she lights up when Marcos makes it clear he will continue to investigate, as though he were doing so for truth, justice and bravery when he explicitly states he’s only interested in pursuing any of it because he and his sister have no choice about living at the school, so he can’t afford to ignore danger. Literally the only one with a relatively reasonable reason to continue and still, the best course of action is to tell an adult and hope for the best. But then we wouldn’t have a show, so I guess, thank you, Caro???

Not a Caro fan but I suppose if she wasn’t nosy and hot and Ivan and Marcos weren’t panting for that hotness and therefore trying to satisfy her nosiness, we’d not have a show. Teen hormones move the world indeed! :P

She really is not a likeable character in the first season, is she?

Looking at it this time, I even read Marcos initial interest in her aside from “oh, pretty girl” as tepid at best - mostly because he was distracted by being a pseudo orphan, locating his missing parents and being mother/father/brother to his little sister - until Ivan made it clear he was jealous and hella nervous having Marcos share any face time with Caro. After all of Ivan’s antagonism, I think that had the effect of putting her more squarely in Marco’s sights. Then once he got to kissing her, well, someone remembered they were still a teenager with a tive hormones and no sense and the rest is 7 awesome seasons of history 😁

Like, I remembered she annoyed the living fuck out of me but I forgot how much she annoyed the living fuck out of me, you know?

All of her grand insistence that consistently led them all into trouble and danger and her utterly incomprehension when any of them wanted to stop was frustrating.

Hahaha yeah, she is very self-absorbed in s1; less so in s2 but she was unbearable in s1. I always wondered how much it was sheltered lack of knowledge of the world and consequences.

Marcos and Carol’s love story really did fall flat throughout - their chemistry was so-so and the narrative was not there to compensate for it; luckily the writers I think realized it fairly quickly and switched to other ships and other character dynamics. I am glad they did, watching Marcos-Caro-Ivan triangle for 7 seasons would have been unbearable. 

Also, I do think that after the end of the show and with all the horrors they lived through and all the reveals about secrets and families, they are all going to have insane but understandable trust issues their whole lives; I think it would be hard for any of the survivors to trust any outsiders (sort of like survivors of cults or other similar scenarios.) Ivan and Julia have each other and they both lived through all this insanity, but Marcos who ends the show single, will probably find it hard to find someone to truly open up to romantically who could also get it and him.

🎶 Coming out of the dark…🎶

Most of the older kids from rich families were sent to that place because they were either high key or low key maladjusted, no way are they suitably functional members of the larger society. They better thank the gods for all that mommy/daddy money! Although I’m not sure how much Ivan will have once the government is through raiding Noiret’s finances and honestly, he and Maria deserve to be incandescently wealthy for all the shit these people put them through. They were true outsiders without a lick of connection to all the orphanage craziness, mad scientists and Nazi ancestry until one of them decided to buy/steal a baby.

Ivan and Julia can and will break up a thousand times but will always flow back to each other because they just get one another. Indo think they’ll be that couple that everyone from the outside will wonder how’s that working? But survive Laguna Negra with not just your soul intact but refined, with a lover willing to buoy you or sacrifice for you, make you smile even when they feel like crying, can cry with you as well as love you wholeheartedly and you’ll be Julivan. Still one of the gold standards.

Re: the triangle that was mercifully short: this is not my first rewatch and I still wonder where the fault lies. Was Caro’s characterization poorly executed by the writers? Was AdA’s acting not up to par or didn’t match the specific Nancy Drew energy enough to be charming? Let’s be honest, the Marcos acting was hardly burning up the acting sheets, so really how much damage could ‘meh’ acting do? Was Caro just doomed to fail because no one wanted a princess heroine? The only fact I know is Yon Gonzalez feasted and the show was all the better for it. The show was very good at making surefooted changes in direction and how to use their ever expanding cast, that helped a lot. As you pointed out, they toned down Caro in S2 and even tried to open her story up by expounding upon her having a Peter Pan mother, etc. Actually, it makes her and Marcos make even more sense on paper as two kids forced to be not just grown ups but parental but that so-so chemistry really hamstrung them. Chemistry is so peculiar - she’s beautiful and he’s a near literal old school Abercrombie and Fitch model, how they were unable to scrape together a scintilla of real chemistry blows my mind.

dangermousie:

theseasasleep:

DUECES!

Poor Maria! I forgot that the police came calling at Laguna Nazi and tipped Jacinta off to her checkered/trumped up past! Honestly, I think Ivan inherited his propensity to attract suffering from his mother.

Is it weird that I always forget about the pedo-female teacher and her WTF “relationship” with Marco (it’s coming) until I see her in the show? What is up with that? Selective amnesia is a hell of a thing.

Lol, that these kids are so gungho about investigating the weirdness. Well, Carolina is gungho, the rest are uneasy as fuuuuuuuuck. An old man teacher barges into their room in the middle of the night and incoherently spillls the beans on dangerous shenanigans afoot at the school and god bless these children, they run with it. But dragging someone else’s five year old sibling into a situation you strongly suspect is dangerous is just not done.

All my ‘Marcos is the best brother and has the best, most cutest sister’ love is being revived!

Originally posted by lizzygif

This show in S1 was very committed to having Maria in naked to seminaked situations, huh? Fermin is soooo into her, heehee, even this early on. Sure, he nominally considered merc-ing her for the sake of the mission, but his heart knew what was up!

Caro is like the queen of getting everyone into bad situations, lmao. I remember being freaking pissed when Ivan and Marcos were caught by Hector.

@dangermousie is not wrong: the sharp and sudden violence of Noiret against his son in full view of everyone is stunning, even on rewatch. We thought the man had been established in the first episode - absent even when present, emotionally neglectful parent - but this is the true establishing scene, right here. He is vicious, uncaring, with an ego the size of the sun. Hector shift from “take your son and GTFO!” to “ you’re not taking your son anywhere!” was smoooooth.

And here we understand and learn more about Ivan, his relationship with his father and the school - they are equally dangerous to him and for him but serve as the only home/family he has. That Hellscape school is actually Ivan’s haven, in the most awful way possible. How’s that for being destined for suffering?

Jacinta is so 😎

I love Jacinta! And poor Maria - Noiret ruined her and Ivan’s lives in different but equally thorough ways. The way he didn’t even care everyone saw him abusing his son speaks volumes about how he is never capable of understanding that what he is doing is wrong. He does it with as much openness in public as one would take a sip of coffee. It doesn’t even occur to him to hide it.

And yes, Marcos and Paula are everything. I can’t believe this show made me care about a little kid - I never do in fiction.

Yes, yes! Noiret’s casual downshift into slick man-with-all-the-money was just as horrifying for me because as you said, his actions and everyone’s reactions don’t register to him. He is absolutely blind to the social norm because in his mind there’s no authority in the immediate vicinity that he must pay lip service to. By the end of his and Hector’s conversation you understand how vile and dangerous Noiret is. Plus, got to love his, “you understand nothing!” salvo - yes, no one understands how hard it’s been for you to steal a baby, torture a teenage mother, murder your wife, torture your adopted son, and juggle the needs of your mad scientist, Nazi overlords. Boo. Hoo. For you.

Paula was written and played perfectly. And yes, she is her Mama’s clone, who I believe was also a clone of a Nazi officer’s daughter? Basically, it’s all fucked up. When Paula’s eyes started glowing in that one scene I was basically like, kill it with fire, lol. Then I felt bad because I liked her and wondered again, what was up with that school, lol.

dangermousie:

theseasasleep:

Sigh. Carolina.

Caro, Caro, Caro.

You and your friends are being watched and having your rooms searched and objects seized by someone with at least assault on their minds. Your friends come to the (wise) conclusion that the questions you all have been asking and the answers you all have been seeking aren’t worth dying for. So what do you, Caro, do? Do you support their decision? Or shame them as cowards for prioritizing their well-being? If you chose the latter, then you are definitely Caro. 🙄

Also, the way she lights up when Marcos makes it clear he will continue to investigate, as though he were doing so for truth, justice and bravery when he explicitly states he’s only interested in pursuing any of it because he and his sister have no choice about living at the school, so he can’t afford to ignore danger. Literally the only one with a relatively reasonable reason to continue and still, the best course of action is to tell an adult and hope for the best. But then we wouldn’t have a show, so I guess, thank you, Caro???

Not a Caro fan but I suppose if she wasn’t nosy and hot and Ivan and Marcos weren’t panting for that hotness and therefore trying to satisfy her nosiness, we’d not have a show. Teen hormones move the world indeed! :P

She really is not a likeable character in the first season, is she?

Looking at it this time, I even read Marcos initial interest in her aside from “oh, pretty girl” as tepid at best - mostly because he was distracted by being a pseudo orphan, locating his missing parents and being mother/father/brother to his little sister - until Ivan made it clear he was jealous and hella nervous having Marcos share any face time with Caro. After all of Ivan’s antagonism, I think that had the effect of putting her more squarely in Marco’s sights. Then once he got to kissing her, well, someone remembered they were still a teenager with a tive hormones and no sense and the rest is 7 awesome seasons of history 😁

Like, I remembered she annoyed the living fuck out of me but I forgot how much she annoyed the living fuck out of me, you know?

All of her grand insistence that consistently led them all into trouble and danger and her utterly incomprehension when any of them wanted to stop was frustrating.

Caro, Caro, Caro.

You and your friends are being watched and having your rooms searched and objects seized by someone with at least assault on their minds. Your friends come to the (wise) conclusion that the questions you all have been asking and the answers you all have been seeking aren’t worth dying for. So what do you, Caro, do? Do you support their decision? Or shame them as cowards for prioritizing their well-being? If you chose the latter, then you are definitely Caro. 🙄

Also, the way she lights up when Marcos makes it clear he will continue to investigate, as though he were doing so for truth, justice and bravery when he explicitly states he’s only interested in pursuing any of it because he and his sister have no choice about living at the school, so he can’t afford to ignore danger. Literally the only one with a relatively reasonable reason to continue and still, the best course of action is to tell an adult and hope for the best. But then we wouldn’t have a show, so I guess, thank you, Caro???

Poor Maria! I forgot that the police came calling at Laguna Nazi and tipped Jacinta off to her checkered/trumped up past! Honestly, I think Ivan inherited his propensity to attract suffering from his mother.

Is it weird that I always forget about the pedo-female teacher and her WTF “relationship” with Marco (it’s coming) until I see her in the show? What is up with that? Selective amnesia is a hell of a thing.

Lol, that these kids are so gungho about investigating the weirdness. Well, Carolina is gungho, the rest are uneasy as fuuuuuuuuck. An old man teacher barges into their room in the middle of the night and incoherently spillls the beans on dangerous shenanigans afoot at the school and god bless these children, they run with it. But dragging someone else’s five year old sibling into a situation you strongly suspect is dangerous is just not done.

All my ‘Marcos is the best brother and has the best, most cutest sister’ love is being revived!

Originally posted by lizzygif

This show in S1 was very committed to having Maria in naked to seminaked situations, huh? Fermin is soooo into her, heehee, even this early on. Sure, he nominally considered merc-ing her for the sake of the mission, but his heart knew what was up!

Caro is like the queen of getting everyone into bad situations, lmao. I remember being freaking pissed when Ivan and Marcos were caught by Hector.

@dangermousie is not wrong: the sharp and sudden violence of Noiret against his son in full view of everyone is stunning, even on rewatch. We thought the man had been established in the first episode - absent even when present, emotionally neglectful parent - but this is the true establishing scene, right here. He is vicious, uncaring, with an ego the size of the sun. Hector shift from “take your son and GTFO!” to “ you’re not taking your son anywhere!” was smoooooth.

And here we understand and learn more about Ivan, his relationship with his father and the school - they are equally dangerous to him and for him but serve as the only home/family he has. That Hellscape school is actually Ivan’s haven, in the most awful way possible. How’s that for being destined for suffering?

Jacinta is so 😎

It has begun!

😆😂🤣

While I remembered Maria began El Internado escaping from a mental facility, I totally forgot she got next to naked in the woods… Was chased up a tree by a wolf… Then fell from said tree onto School Administrator, Hector. What a meet-cute, huh? Thoroughly wasted in later seasons for whatever reasons but still, quite a first meeting!

Oh man, Jacinta! I loved Jacinta! She took no shit.

Early Ivan is - look, I can’t dislike him, not after watching the show from beginning to end. My love and sympathy for him is now baked into every rewatch regardless if he’s being a turd or not. So, I look at S1E1 Ivan hearing his gf call a new student cute and see every insecurity and inferiority complex rise in him in .5 seconds and my lower lip trembles for him.

They legit locked the gates of the school with a padlock. Should have known something as up when fire safety was clearly low on the totem pole for a school that housed children as young what? 7 or 8?

Maybe I noted it before and I just don’t remember but in ep 1, WTF are they teaching these kids? Hector teaching a class, the ends justify the means and calling it the spirit of the school which is hella true but usually you teach high schoolers the opposite unless you want to churn out little psychos. Then again, this is El Internado…